Is Donald Trump Mentally Unfit?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion & War Issues' started by newguy, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. mike carey

    mike carey Peer


    But no. It's a bit like 'uninhibited'. It can describe a permanent status.
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  2. Whitman

    Whitman Baron

    Remember when we were told that any little boy could grow up to be president?

    And eventually heard that amended to any little boy or girl could grow up to be president (or at least win the popular vote)?

    Well, word on America's playgrounds these days is that any little nutjob can grow up to be president.

    Thank you, President Trump, for expanding the horizons of the deeply disturbed.
  3. Moondance

    Moondance Prince

    Thanks to that losing loser Luther, now it's all on Trump to make America Strange again. But maybe his deaf, dumb and blind base will pitch in to help--eh, Bozo? (At this very moment in offshore sweatshops, new caps are being manufactured.!)

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    BOZO T CLOWN Count

    Vanity Fair = FAKE news

    Thank you President Trump for making America GREAT again.

  5. Oaktown

    Oaktown Earl

  6. You're just upset because the never had an issue about circus and clowns!
  7. One of them recently dropped the rule.
  8. Because otherwise it looks a lot like a constitutional coup.
  9. The speed of modern warfare and deliberate slowness of Congressional procedure makes it difficult for Congress to have meaningful input, but we should at least require consensus from some group before a nuclear attack is authorized rather than allowing Trump to order one unilaterally. We can't bulletproof ourselves from electing an incompetent dimwit but we should at least be able to insulate ourselves from ending the world as we know it as a result.
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  10. pitman

    pitman Viscount

    Anything Bozo Doesn't Want To Hear = FAKE news

    Thank you President Trump for reinforcing Bozo's denial.
  11. sync

    sync Earl

    I can't quite grasp the logic of requiring more than one individual to launch a single missile while only one individual can launch the entire arsenal.
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  12. samhexum

    samhexum Viscount

    George Will in May:

    Trump’s ‘Dangerous Disability’ Could Have Serious Consequences on the Country

    In his column, Will wrote that Trump has a knack for creating controversy whenever the president says something that indicates a serious lack of knowledge with no desire to learn. Will pointed to Trump’s remarks about the Civil War, the nuclear triad, and his one-China policy blunder as prime examples.

    This seems to be not a mere disinclination but a disability. It is not merely the result of intellectual sloth but of an untrained mind bereft of information and married to stratospheric self-confidence.

    Will went on to say that Trump frequently hurts himself because his failure to articulate betrays how many issues there are that Trump doesn’t fully understand. Will said that Trump acts with a “combination of impulsivity and credulity” that is worthy of deep concern, given the power that Trump now possesses.

    Americans have placed vast military power at the discretion of this mind, a presidential discretion that is largely immune to restraint by the Madisonian system of institutional checks and balances. So, it is up to the public to quarantine this presidency by insistently communicating to its elected representatives a steady, rational fear of this man whose combination of impulsivity and credulity render him uniquely unfit to take the nation into a military conflict.

    President Donald Trump questioned why the Civil War— which erupted 150 years ago over slavery — needed to happen. He said he would be “honored” to meet with Kim Jong-Un, the violent North Korean dictator who is developing nuclear missiles and oppresses his people, under the “right circumstances.”

    The president floated, and backed away from, a tax on gasoline. Trump said he was “looking at” breaking up the big banks, sending the stock market sliding. He seemed to praise Philippines strongman President Rodrigo Duterte for his high approval ratings. He promised changes to the Republican health care bill, though he has seemed unsure what was in the legislation, even as his advisers whipped votes for it.

    And Monday still had nine hours to go.

    “It seems to be among the most bizarre recent 24 hours in American presidential history,” said Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian. “It was all just surreal disarray and a confused mental state from the president.”

    The interviews — published by Bloomberg, Face the Nation and the SiriusXM radio network — seemed timed to the president’s 100-day mark but contained a dizzying amount of news, even for a president who often makes news in stream-of-consciousness comments. Trump’s advisers have at times tried to curb his media appearances, worried he will step on his message. “They were not helpful to us,” one senior administration official said. “There was no point to do all of them.”

    White House officials said privately there was no broader strategy behind the interviews. GOP strategists and Capitol Hill aides were puzzled by it all. “I have no idea what they view as a successful media hit,” said one senior GOP consultant with close ties to the administration. “He just seemed to go crazy today,” a senior GOP aide said.

    Trump’s comments questioning the need for the Civil War, aired Monday afternoon, seemed to disregard history and downplay slavery, several historians said.

    “Why couldn’t that one have been worked out?” Trump told SiriusXM, praising Andrew Jackson, who he said would have stopped the war had he still been alive.

    The Civil War was largely fought over slavery and its expansion, with Southern states saying they had a right to have slaves and secede from the union. Trump has been compared to Jackson, most prominently by Stephen Bannon, his chief strategist. Trump again praised Jackson on Twitter Monday night saying he saw the war coming. Jackson died years earlier.

    “White supremacists, lost causers, states-rights activists could latch onto this,” said David Blight, a Civil War historian at Yale University. “I don’t know if Trump even knows he’s doing it. You can be too ignorant to know you’re ignorant.”

    Trump broke with longstanding precedent by telling Bloomberg he would consider a meeting with the North Korean president. The United States has no ties with North Korea and the country has repeatedly tried to fire missiles and build up a stockpile to harm the United States. Recently, the country posted video of the country sending a missile into the White House, blowing it up.

    Later in the day, Trump said “none of us are safe,” mentioning North Korea. Spicer defended the president’s words, crediting the dictator for “assuming power at an early age, and he led his country forward.” Other advisers said the meeting would only happen if the president changed his ways, an unlikely scenario, and noted that Trump has criticized the North Korean leader. But Spicer’s comments struck many as almost praising the North Korean president.

    “I would not say Kim III has moved the country forward,” Jay Nordlinger, an editor at the conservative National Review wrote on Twitter. “Why is the presidential spokesman talking like this? Are we America?”

    Trump’s comments on the big banks to Bloomberg would be favored by Democrats and seemed to take Wall Street officials by surprise. Stock markets immediately slid. Several people close to Trump noted he often uses the phrase “looking at” when asked about a position where he’s unfamiliar or doesn’t have a definitive answer he wants to give. Spicer later declined to say Trump would do it.

    Trump also told Bloomberg he would consider a gas tax — a policy proposal often favored by Democrats — that drew fire from conservative groups more aligned with his agenda, like Club for Growth. The idea even seemed to even take Democrats by surprise, with Sen. Charles Schumer, the Minority Leader, declining to comment. A senior administration official said the idea of a gas tax “had not been seriously proposed by anyone in the White House.”

    “He did not express support,” Spicer said later, adding he was only considering the idea because industry executives asked him to do so.

    Trump surprised senior Hill Republicans later Monday by also telling Bloomberg that his proposed health law was likely to change, even as his advisers furiously tried to get votes for the current bill. Some wondered if he was just referring to the bill changing in the Senate, which is widely expected, if it passes the House. Two senior administration officials said there were no big changes coming to the House of Representatives text and that they weren’t exactly sure what he was saying. Republican legislators were still seeking guidance from the White House Monday night, officials said.

    He also lauded Duterte, the leader in the Philippines, who is notorious for ruling with an iron fist, for being popular. Trump has often praised other rulers who are strong and have high approval ratings, using “famous” and “strong” as high compliments.

    “You know he’s very popular in the Philippines,” Trump said of Duterte, who he praised for getting rid of drugs.

    Duterte’s methods for cracking down on drugs, which have included condoning of extrajudicial killings, have drawn scorn from human rights groups and other observers of his record.

    The comments took politicians of both parties — and some of his aides — by surprise. They came after Trump had earlier surprised foreign policy experts with a “very friendly” conversation with Duterte on Saturday night, and an invitation to visit the White House. Duterte has not accepted and said he might be too busy to come.

    “This is a man who has boasted publicly about killing his own citizens,” Sen. Ben Cardin, a Democrat, said. “The United States is unique in the world because our values — respect for human rights, respect for the rule of law — are our interests. Ignoring human rights will not advance U.S. interests in the Philippines or any place else. Just the opposite.”

    Spicer was asked if Trump was “briefed” on Duterte’s human rights record. “The president gets fully briefed,” he said, not elaborating.

    Finally, Trump’s mantra of “never retreat-never surrender” was revived by John Dickerson of “Face the Nation,” who asked if the president stood by his claims that Obama was a “bad (or sick) guy!” for allegedly tapping his phones in Trump Tower. That claim is unsubstantiated.

    “I don’t stand by anything,” Trump said,before adding: “I think our side’s been proven very strongly.”

    Later, Spicer said Trump fully stood by his comments on Obama.

    Pushed by Dickerson, Trump walked away, ending the interview and going back to his desk.

    “OK it’s enough,” he said. “Thank you. Thank you very much.”
  13. samhexum

    samhexum Viscount


    At first it sounded like hyperbole, the escalation of a Twitter war. But now it’s clear that Bob Corker’s remarkable New York Times interview—in which the Republican senator described the White House as “adult day care” and warned Trump could start World War III—was an inflection point in the Trump presidency. It brought into the open what several people close to the president have recently told me in private: that Trump is “unstable,” “losing a step,” and “unraveling.”

    The conversation among some of the president’s longtime confidantes, along with the character of some of the leaks emerging from the White House has shifted. There’s a new level of concern. NBC News published a report that Trump shocked his national security team when he called for a nearly tenfold increase in the country’s nuclear arsenal during a briefing this summer. One Trump adviser confirmed to me it was after this meeting disbanded that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called Trump a “moron.”

    In recent days, I spoke with a half dozen prominent Republicans and Trump advisers, and they all describe a White House in crisis as advisers struggle to contain a president who seems to be increasingly unfocused and consumed by dark moods. Trump’s ire is being fueled by his stalled legislative agenda and, to a surprising degree, by his decision last month to back the losing candidate Luther Strange in the Alabama Republican primary. “Alabama was a huge blow to his psyche,” a person close to Trump said. “He saw the cult of personality was broken.”

    +According to two sources familiar with the conversation, Trump vented to his longtime security chief, Keith Schiller, “I hate everyone in the White House! There are a few exceptions, but I hate them!” (A White House official denies this.) Two senior Republican officials said Chief of Staff John Kelly is miserable in his job and is remaining out of a sense of duty to keep Trump from making some sort of disastrous decision. Today, speculation about Kelly’s future increased after Politico reported that Kelly’s deputy Kirstjen Nielsen is likely to be named Homeland Security Secretary—the theory among some Republicans is that Kelly wanted to give her a soft landing before his departure.

    One former official even speculated that Kelly and Secretary of Defense James Mattis have discussed what they would do in the event Trump ordered a nuclear first strike. “Would they tackle him?” the person said. Even Trump’s most loyal backers are sowing public doubts. This morning, The Washington Post quoted longtime Trump friend Tom Barrack saying he has been “shocked” and “stunned” by Trump’s behavior.

    While Kelly can’t control Trump’s tweets, he is doing his best to physically sequester the president—much to Trump’s frustration. One major G.O.P. donor told me access to Trump has been cut off, and his outside calls to the White House switchboard aren’t put through to the Oval Office. Earlier this week, I reported on Kelly’s plans to prevent Trump from mingling with guests at Mar-a-Lago later this month. And, according to two sources, Keith Schiller quit last month after Kelly told Schiller he needed permission to speak to the president and wanted written reports of their conversations.

    The White House denies these accounts. “The President’s mood is good and his outlook on the agenda is very positive,” an official said.

    West Wing aides have also worried about Trump’s public appearances, one Trump adviser told me. The adviser said aides were relieved when Trump declined to agree to appear on the season premiere of 60 Minutes last month. “He’s lost a step. They don’t want him doing adversarial TV interviews,” the adviser explained. Instead, Trump has sat down for friendly conversations with Sean Hannity and Mike Huckabee, whose daughter is Trump’s press secretary. (The White House official says the 60 Minutes interview is being rescheduled.)

    Even before Corker’s remarks, some West Wing advisers were worried that Trump’s behavior could cause the Cabinet to take extraordinary Constitutional measures to remove him from office. Several months ago, according to two sources with knowledge of the conversation, former chief strategist Steve Bannon told Trump that the risk to his presidency wasn’t impeachment, but the 25th Amendment—the provision by which a majority of the Cabinet can vote to remove the president. When Bannon mentioned the 25th Amendment, Trump said, “What’s that?” According to a source, Bannon has told people he thinks Trump has only a 30 percent chance of making it the full term.
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  14. jjkrkwood

    jjkrkwood Regent

    QUOTE="samhexum, post: 1379893, member: 15565"]VANITY FAIR THIS WEEK:

    When Bannon mentioned the 25th Amendment, Trump said, “What’s that?” According to a source, Bannon has told people he thinks Trump has only a 30 percent chance of making it the full term.[/QUOTE]

    30% is too wide a margin. The man needs to go NOW... He is prone to LUNACY, and therefore a threat and danger to our country...
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  15. bostonman

    bostonman Earl

    I'm wondering if the latest executive moves - the hysterical nonsensical slashing at ObamaCare and the Iran deal - which are clearly going to be met with loads of pushback (I already have heard that over 20 lawsuits are being considered against the ACA changes) will bring things closer to a trump breakdown. Eventually there's going to be a point where the moron just can't handle all the pressure, especially as he will always take negative views of his actions as a deeply personal wound.

    What scares me is that he could indeed be irrational enough to try to launch nukes in retaliation for not getting the country's respect. Or, say, if irrefutable conclusions come out of the Mueller investigation, etc. Would he consider blowing the world up just to try to avoid the accusations? (Or to send the message that if he goes, we all go?) I'm not sure he wouldn't.
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  16. jjkrkwood

    jjkrkwood Regent

    with serial killers, they often say "we never saw that coming, there were NO signs"... But with Trump, ALL the signs are there, so why is everyone ignoring them ? Let's not hope it will be too late once we wise up ?
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  17. sync

    sync Earl

    You have called it. Trump is doing more damage to this country from within than any or all outside threats. General Barry McCaffrey has predicted that by next summer we will be at war.
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  18. MiamiLooker

    MiamiLooker Count

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  19. bostonman

    bostonman Earl