Meryl Streep Golden Globes

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion & War Issues' started by tyro, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. An unwillingness to explain the basis of your opinions undermines them and makes you and everyone else who acts as if their opinions were received wisdom that require no explanation look like arrogant jerks.
  2. purplekow

    purplekow Regent

    "You mean like "successful" businessmen speaking out against a "Kenyan" President?
  3. purplekow

    purplekow Regent

    Trump mocking someone for flip flopping. Well irony there certainly. Mr. Comey perhaps might have something to say about making a big statement before an election and then reconsidering it. Nice misdirection bringing up an "illegal sex with a minor" case which was what the state and Polanski settled on, but how does that case from more than 35 years ago , as notorious and reprehensible as the allegations were, advance this discussion. You can only yell: "Squirrel" so many times. It is not as though Ms. Streep, citizen, said something which is erroneous, misleading or damning of a military hero. trump could not be a military hero as he is someone stayed out of the military
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  4. Moondance

    Moondance Peer

    I'm pretty sure this is why I find myself daydreaming about William Henry Harrison's inauguration.

    It was a snowy day in 1841. Harrison gave the longest inaugural speech in history (an hour and 45 minutes). The oath of office was administered on the East Portico of the Capitol by Chief Justice Roger Taney. The 68-year-old Harrison stood outside for the entire proceeding, greeting crowds of well-wishers at the White House later that day, and attending several celebrations that evening. One month later he was dead of pneumonia.

    Not that I find this daydream particularly comforting ... in fact, it makes me a little Pence ... I mean tense.
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  5. purplekow

    purplekow Regent

  6. purplekow

    purplekow Regent

    Sad story, off by a century.
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  7. Moondance

    Moondance Peer

    Corrected. Thanks for the catch!
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  8. mike carey

    mike carey Peer

    Indeed, @purplekow, I had always been under the impression that the 1941 inauguration had involved one Franklin Delano Roosevelt, not William Henry Harrison, but I'm a foreigner unschooled in such things!
  9. longtime lurker

    longtime lurker Viscount

    Humorously... or not so humorously, I too can't get over this ominous premonition in the back of my mind that he will croak in office. Already he is working his way towards either a stroke a.k.a. Woodrow Wilson style or a cardiac arrest Warren G. Harding style. Melania said in public that she was trying to keep him away from twitter and SHE failed. He is an obsessive addict.

    What is rather kooky about the situation is that all of "Liberal" Hollywood knows it and are working hard at it with their hyper critical speeches. Somebody will top Meryl Streep soon. The Academy Awards will be loads of fun this year. If you can't succeed killing him once over his twitter, just try, try again.

    Yeah... we will likely wind up with Pence to finish out his term regardless if he gets pulled out on a stretcher or is impeached by his own party.

    What I am now wondering is this: another shoe is destined to drop. After the DNC got "exposed" and Hillary went down in flames, Putin probably has plenty on both Trump and the RNC and is waiting patiently to make his move. It would be an awfully cute gesture to see America experience its own government overthrow and socialist revolution in honor of the 100th anniversary of Russia's own this coming October. Just look at how Trump's cabinet is the poster image of the Romanoffs, the decayed and greedy capitalistic version of a royal family. His doctor Harold Bornstein does vaguely resemble Rasputin.
  10. Lookin

    Lookin Earl

    As I wrote the only post in this thread mentioning Hitler, let me take this one.

    I’ve posted several times before that my interest in comparing post-Weimar Germany with the U. S. today is centered around the similarities between German citizens then and U. S. citizens now, not between Hitler and Trump.

    There will always be Hitlers and there will always be Trumps and, while there are similarities between the two men, there are also differences. The biggest similarity, in my opinion, is that both men came to power with a strategy of attempting to divide their citizens into opposing groups and to use this division to aggregate power. Not the first time we’ve seen this and, sadly, I expect it won't be the last.

    For me, the specific divisions these so-called ‘leaders’ stir up and the specific groups they target are not the issue. The issue is the division itself.

    In the 1930’s, the German populace was willing to be divided along ethnic lines. Most were willing to believe that Aryans were ‘superior’ to Jews and Roma, and many were willing to see these groups ‘disappear’ from their midst. At one point, Russians were friends and later on they became foes. Homosexuals were pretty much an afterthought. So the actual groups on either side of the dividing line was much less relevant than the fact that there were dividing lines at all. And the Nazi rulers spent most of their time reinforcing these dividing lines, and used suppression of the press and personal loyalty to der Fürher as tools to enforce compliance and groupthink.

    These days, I’m paying attention to the process of division and, again, the specific groups on either side of the dividing line are less relevant for me than the fact that there is a dividing line at all. If we follow the post-Weimar German path, the dividing line will be fluid and today’s friend may become tomorrow’s foe.

    Given the unpredictability of who’s going to be on which side of the dividing line, the only thing that makes sense to me is to ensure that the dividing lines are not drawn in the first place. And to make sure that we have a free press able to call it out. And to make damned sure that fealty to a ‘leader’ never takes the place of loyalty to one another.

    Democracy is about all of us, as President Obama made crystal clear in his farewell speech yesterday. And any time I see dividing lines being drawn, or the free press sidelined, or unquestioning fealty to an individual become acceptable, you can bet I’m going to shine a light on it.

    Apologies to those who find it tiresome, but my goal is to make sure I don’t end up sleepwalking through the loss of freedom and the democratic values we’ve spent a quarter-millennium and hundreds of thousands of lives fighting to preserve. We owe ourselves much more than fealty to a narcissistic sociopath.

    We owe ourselves the United States of America. [​IMG]
  11. pubic_assistance

    pubic_assistance Viscount

    Obama did nothing but HIGHLIGHT racial divisions for the last eight exactly how was THAT not "drawing a line" ?
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  12. Lookin

    Lookin Earl

    And this is what he actually said:

    For blacks and other minorities, it means tying our own struggles for justice to the challenges that a lot of people in this country face – the refugee, the immigrant, the rural poor, the transgender American, and also the middle-aged white man who from the outside may seem like he’s got all the advantages, but who’s seen his world upended by economic, cultural, and technological change.

    For white Americans, it means acknowledging that the effects of slavery and Jim Crow didn’t suddenly vanish in the ‘60s; that when minority groups voice discontent, they’re not just engaging in reverse racism or practicing political correctness; that when they wage peaceful protest, they’re not demanding special treatment, but the equal treatment our Founders promised.

    For native-born Americans, it means reminding ourselves that the stereotypes about immigrants today were said, almost word for word, about the Irish, Italians, and Poles. America wasn’t weakened by the presence of these newcomers; they embraced this nation’s creed, and it was strengthened.

    So regardless of the station we occupy; we have to try harder; to start with the premise that each of our fellow citizens loves this country just as much as we do; that they value hard work and family like we do; that their children are just as curious and hopeful and worthy of love as our own.
  13. Nvr2Thick

    Nvr2Thick Count

    Highlight or acknowledge? The latest popular tactic for combatting against any racial group drawing attention to their needs or protesting oppression is to claim "identity politics" and accuse the group of divisiveness. As racial groups speak out they're now subject to this dishonest preemptive strike from the white mainstream that suggests that they're beyond racism and that identifying your race and its issues is somehow inherently racist. Calling out BLM as a hate group is one of these examples of an attempt to deny the validity of a forum for protest and discussion.
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  14. pubic_assistance

    pubic_assistance Viscount

    I said: " for the last eight years"....I wasn't referring to his last flowery speech.
  15. I may be wrong, but I think it is aligned to everything he said not the last 8 but at least the last 9 years. He may have failed, but he always called for unity, and celebrated and honored diversity.
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  16. pubic_assistance

    pubic_assistance Viscount

    It was really more his wife who I always found most divisive. I am really tired of being the "bad guy" because I am male and white. Especially considering I have been really proactive over many years to give opportunity to people of color. I was not impressed with Obama's performance. Sorry.
  17. I'm sorry you feel that way. Minorities have many allies who are White and Male. Recognizing that there is a culture that has favored White Males for centuries does not mean that individual White Males are bad persons. I have plenty of White Male friends fighting our fight.
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  18. jjkrkwood

    jjkrkwood Regent

    I dont think you need to be rewarded for being a good, kind, generous, giving person. You do it "because you WANT to" not because there will be accolades or awards. I am white and male (most of the time) and I never feel like I'm a bad guy. Sorry dude, that's on you, and perhaps a bit of introspection might uncover the REAL reason you feel that way. ? If Trump is making you feel better about yourself, maybe you should send him a Whitmans Sampler to thank him !
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  19. pubic_assistance

    pubic_assistance Viscount

    I am not remotely oblivious to the injustices served the black community ( and other people of color). I am however increasingly annoyed that those of us who have stood up to these injustices are now suffering ourselves because hate groups, like Black Lives Matter, now want "revenge" as part of their justice.
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    One of the many reasons that Hillary lost the election was her embrace of the hate group Black Lives Matter and their radical racist agenda. It turned off enough white working class voters in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin to tip a close election to Mr. Trump.

    One of the (many) benefits of the election results is that we won't have to hear Hillary lecturing us on White Privilege anymore.......

    America Will Be Great Again
    9 days to go


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